how much dry wheat malt

[Chrisp]

Just wondering, Dr Smurto's James Squire Pale ale kits & bits recipie calls for a 1kg can of Coopers wheat malt, unfortunaly the LHBS only had dry wheat malt extract. So my question is, how much dry extract do i need to match the 1kg tin. I was thinking of about 750g, i did get a 1kg bag though would this be to much? The recipie also calls for 250g of caramalt (or other light crystal) , would carapils be ok?
Cheers Crisp

[warra48]

The liquid extracts are about 20% water, so about 800 gr dry malt extract would be good.

Carapils is a very light caramel or crystal malt, again, that would be good.

[Chrisp]

Thanks Warra

[Wassa]

Coopers Liquid Wheat Malt is 50% wheat malt and 50% malted barley I believe.

Check it up on the Coopers web site,otherwise you may add too much and spoil the recipe.

Wassa

[Chrisp]

Thanks Wassa, I had a look on the Coopers web site, but i could only find out how much the tins are to buy. Not to good at the internet thing. Anyway would you suggest just buying a tin off Coopers, or could i make up a mix using the DWE & ( mind blank. is Malted barley LDME ?).
Cheers Crisp

[earle]

Hi Crisp

Your DWE is most likely already a mixture of wheat and barley malt extract. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think when wheat malt is mashed you need a proportion of barley malt to convert it. Because of that I'm not sure you can get whaet malt extract that is 100% wheat, ususally around 50-60% wheat.

[Chrisp]

Fantastic, thanks earle. So i should be right to just use 800g of the DWE. Another quick one- sould i re-hydrate this with the carapils, i gather thay need to be steaped or simmered for 20 min or so, or will it be affected once i boil it after removing the grain.
Cheers Crisp

[warra48]

Hi Crisp

Your DWE is most likely already a mixture of wheat and barley malt extract. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think when wheat malt is mashed you need a proportion of barley malt to convert it. Because of that I'm not sure you can get whaet malt extract that is 100% wheat, ususally around 50-60% wheat.

Wheat malt will mash perfectly well by itself, as it has equal diastatic power to barley.
Bottled my latest hefeweizen yesterday, and it has 60% wheat. Achieved 96% mash efficiency, so no shortage of enzymes in the wheat.
500 gr rice hulls made the lauter a breeze.

Don't know about the make up of DWE, haven't used it myself.

[warra48]

Fantastic, thanks earle. So i should be right to just use 800g of the DWE. Another quick one- sould i re-hydrate this with the carapils, i gather thay need to be steaped or simmered for 20 min or so, or will it be affected once i boil it after removing the grain.
Cheers Crisp

Carapils is a very light crystal type malt (cara is the prefix used by Wyermann for their crystal malts). Steep it at about 70ºC for about a ½ hour. Boil that liquid for 10 to 15 minutes to kill nasties.

I find dry malt easier to dissolve in cold water than hot water. I just add the malt to the water, and allow it dissolve of its own accord, although it might need a slight stir to get it all in contact with your water.

Maybe you could dissolve the dry while you are steeping the carapils. Then add all the liquid together for a single boil, provided you have a large enough pot.

[Chrisp]

Knew i bought that thermometer for a reason! I have a 6L pot, Though there isnt much room left for boil overs etc when filled to that amount. What water quantaties would you use a) for steeping & b) for disolving the DWE. This should work well though the first hop eddition is for 15 min so in theory i should be able to do all at once. Yeah ??

[warra48]

Knew i bought that thermometer for a reason! I have a 6L pot, Though there isnt much room left for boil overs etc when filled to that amount. What water quantaties would you use a) for steeping & b) for disolving the DWE. This should work well though the first hop eddition is for 15 min so in theory i should be able to do all at once. Yeah ??

How about up to about 1 litre for steeping 250 gr Carapils?

Then you can dissolve the 800 gr DWE in 2 to 3 litres of water.

All up you should have about up to 4 litres, which will give you a bit of headroom in your 6 litre pot. Add your hops when it comes to the boil.

Be careful to watch for boilovers, they happen very very quickly.
When it boils, turn down the heat, and stir to get the foam down. I find a fine water mist spray from a spray bottle onto the foam can also help to control it.

Good luck!

[Chrisp]

All sorted, thanks for the support.- Crisp

[Bum]

Don't know about the make up of DWE, haven't used it myself.

My understanding is that most wheat malt extracts are 40/60 wheat/barley. There are exceptions to the rule of course but my reading suggests this is the most common ratio. Obviously we can't just assume this is the mix if we want exact calculations (but then exact calculations are basically a myth in extract brewing anyway, aren't they?).

[earle]

earle wrote:
Hi Crisp

Your DWE is most likely already a mixture of wheat and barley malt extract. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think when wheat malt is mashed you need a proportion of barley malt to convert it. Because of that I'm not sure you can get whaet malt extract that is 100% wheat, ususally around 50-60% wheat.

Warra 48 wrote:
Wheat malt will mash perfectly well by itself, as it has equal diastatic power to barley.
Bottled my latest hefeweizen yesterday, and it has 60% wheat. Achieved 96% mash efficiency, so no shortage of enzymes in the wheat.
500 gr rice hulls made the lauter a breeze.

Don't know about the make up of DWE, haven't used it myself.

Thanks for the correction Warra. Not being an AG brewer myself I was unsure of the reason, but I stand by the rest of it.