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Spruce/Pine Beer

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I thought I would start a new topic with this one as it may be of interest to others and will go in a direction much different than the "oatmeal" topic of the original thread I posted.
You actually boiled pine needles and put the resultant liquid in your fermenter?
Is that correct?
I`m flabbergasted , no, shocked :shock: that no one else has commented on that :
Yes, I did actually put pine/spruce clippings in the beer. During colonial times in what is now the US and Canada it was pretty commonplace for people to make a brew flavored with spruce using a mixture of molasses and water for wort. Search for "spruce beer recipe" and you can see some modern replica recipes if you're interested. And currently there are a few American, probably Canadian too, that make a beer using spruce as a flavor enhancer in addition to hops (I know for sure there is an Alaskan brewery doing this). But think about it, hops are usually compared to pine in flavor so it is really not all that ridiculous. Kinda more like thinking outside the box.

Seeing that I don't have access to hops as of yet and I like hoppy beers I figured: "why not give it a try?" I really don't have very high expectations though the pine/spruce needle tea I added didn't seem like it was going to meld very well. But you never know 'til you try it. At the very least I will know not to try that again!

Everything I saw about using evergreen needles in beer referred to using harvesting fresh "spruce" clippings in the spring and only those that had recently grown. I am no botanist and did some brief picture research of what a spruce tree looks like and did my best to find something that looked similar in the outskirts of Beijing. I dont know if what I used was spruce or even fresh growth from this spring. I do know that I got a lot of strange looks from locals watching me use scissors to cut the ends off pine trees though!
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Very interesting! When I was in Canada skiing, we had a very talkative bus driver once, and he told us about the early explorers having their teeth fall out from scurvy, whilst walking through pine forests, any one branch of which contains hundreds of times as much vitamin C as they would need to cure them, if only they knew to make tea from it! Incidentally, did you know that humans and guinea pigs are the only two animals that can't manufacture their own vitamin C? :P

Just had a bit of a squiz at wikipedia:

Spruce
The leaves and branches, or the essential oils, can be used to brew spruce beer. The tips from the needles can be used to make spruce tip syrup. It can also be made into a tea which has approx 8 times the amount of vitamin C as an orange.
Spruce beer
Spruce beer is a beverage flavored with the buds, needles, or essence of spruce trees. Spruce has been a traditional flavoring ingredient throughout the upper latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere where it is found, often substituting for ingredients otherwise not available, such as hops. Spruce beer can refer to either alcoholic or non-alcoholic beverages.
Very interesting; I'll have to give it a try next time I see a Spring.
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Interesting random vitamin C and spruce info... good to know for the next time any of us are fighting scurvy! (thats meant to be in jest with no offense to be taken by the way!)

Now that I am thinking about it I don't know how I came up with the idea of spruce/pine beer. I may have seen it randomly by accident on a website somewhere or I may have considered the pine and hops similarities myself and then searched. I honestly don't recall. But I'll resurrect this post in 6 weeks when it is done and let ya'll know how it came out. However - AND I REPEAT - I have very low expectations. I also plan to keep an eye on the variety of evergreen trees I took the clippings from and figure out if I used this years spring growth or older needles. They seemed relatively fresh but I really don't know.
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I think the Native Americans used corn and juniper to make alcoholic drinks? Supposedly it have a nice bitterness to the brew.
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I have no evidence of this at all but in the US we have a stereotype of all American Indians not being able to handle booze and being extraordinarily susceptible to alcohol addiction. I have also heard that early in US history Indians were appeased with alcohol. This is all just stuff you hear in conversations though... I have no idea how reliable it is. So I, as well as a lot of other Americans, always thought that the "white man" introduced alcohol to the American Indians. I know they did make, and I have heard still do (albeit illegally) some kind of smokable hallucinogenic drug called peyote.

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Don`t forget mescal.
The Apaches used to give themselves a serve of that and go apeshit.
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Peyote is a cactus which is usually sliced into chips then dried and eaten. Unlike LSD or mushrooms it's effects still allow you to function quite normally, you can sleep and eat and interact pretty well with "straight" people. It has no lasting effect on the body or brain and really is a life changing (for the better) experience! It has good basis in medical and of course spiritual uses and is legal for some tribes to cultivate and use. Mescaline is the synthetic form of the drug but it is not quite the same somehow, does not last as long or feel as deep.

Now back to beer...

It is true that some tribes did not have the technology of brewing. But there certainly were tribes who did. I believe the Pueblos (one of the largest North American ancient tribes) were one of them who made this corn beer?
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ryan wrote:Don`t forget mescal.
The Apaches used to give themselves a serve of that and go apeshit.
Mescal is different, it is fermented cactus juice and as far as I am aware is just alcohol of some sort?

I always wanted to try it though, evidently it is quite easy to find in certain areas of Mexico and you must be wary of the tequila you drink, also it is said that the worm is the best part :? :shock:
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aurelius121ad wrote:Interesting random vitamin C and spruce info... good to know for the next time any of us are fighting scurvy! (thats meant to be in jest with no offense to be taken by the way!)

Now that I am thinking about it I don't know how I came up with the idea of spruce/pine beer. I may have seen it randomly by accident on a website somewhere or I may have considered the pine and hops similarities myself and then searched. I honestly don't recall. But I'll resurrect this post in 6 weeks when it is done and let ya'll know how it came out. However - AND I REPEAT - I have very low expectations. I also plan to keep an eye on the variety of evergreen trees I took the clippings from and figure out if I used this years spring growth or older needles. They seemed relatively fresh but I really don't know.
Right, that`s settled then.
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aurelius121ad wrote:Damn, it is easy to get off topic on here!
Nail on head. It's your thread, however. :wink:

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Tizwin- in the words of Geronimo..."ugg. Tizwin. Mighty good shit. ugg"
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There is a spruce beer in one of the Papazian books. That's why it was no big deal for me. If I could get spruce needles, I'd give it a try. Apparently it come out with a bit of a Pepsi flavour.
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I'll have to check Promash to see if spruce and pine needles are listed in the other ingredients section! :lol:

I thought I was pushing the borders with a potato beer, but I was only scratching the surface, wasn't I?!

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Spruce Extract (pine needle flavouring) is in Beersmith by default... ;)
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I have a simple recipe here for Spruce Beer from Keith Linden`s "Brewing Beer At Home", printed 1970 :shock:
It`s Aussie publication, in imperial measure. :)
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you can call the spruce beer the "spruce goose"....

depending how it turns out, this may only be the one attempt you'll ever make to get it off the ground...
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Whatever you say, Mr Hughes :lol:
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but I allways get Howard Hughes mixed up with Hugh Hefner. :(
Which one always had the bimbos hanging off him? :shock:
Or was that Howard Hawkes? :|
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Bob Hawke :)
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John Howard? :lol:
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