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mike_hifi
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Diacetyl Ring?

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Something I've never seen before happened today - making a JS Amber clone for my wife, using US-05 yeast. Has been brewing happily at 19deg and in fermenter for nearly two weeks. To give it a bit of a diacetyl rest 'boost' I upped the temp to 22deg 36 hours ago.
When I went to bottle this afternoon, it looked like it was back in krausen stage again! I had checked gravity a couple of days ago and then again when I saw the head on the beer - pretty steady at about 1012.

There is a ring around the top that is seriously waxy, much more than usual.

Eevrything smells (and tastes) OK - any ideas?

Mike
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Liquids hold less CO2 as they cool. My guess would be the raise in temp pushed CO2 out of the beer giving it a head of krausen. Just a guess though, I could be mistaken.
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aurelius121ad wrote:Liquids hold less CO2 as they cool. My guess would be the raise in temp pushed CO2 out of the beer giving it a head of krausen. Just a guess though, I could be mistaken.
With all due respect, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think liquids hold more CO² as they cool.
So, by raising the temperature, you do two things:
1. Release some of the CO² in suspension
2. Make the yeast happy by warming them a few degrees, so they get back on the job to finish the last few degrees of fermentation.
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warra48 wrote:
aurelius121ad wrote:Liquids hold less CO2 as they cool. My guess would be the raise in temp pushed CO2 out of the beer giving it a head of krausen. Just a guess though, I could be mistaken.
With all due respect, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think liquids hold more CO² as they cool.
So, by raising the temperature, you do two things:
1. Release some of the CO² in suspension
2. Make the yeast happy by warming them a few degrees, so they get back on the job to finish the last few degrees of fermentation.

Yeah, thats what I meant. Despite getting my science mixed up at least I knew the warming of his fermenting brew would cause the release of more CO2!
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aurelius121ad wrote: Yeah, thats what I meant.
:) I knew that's what you meant. It's all good.
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warra48 wrote:
aurelius121ad wrote: Yeah, thats what I meant.
:) I knew that's what you meant. It's all good.
I knew that you knew that that's what he meant.
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Thanks for the replies - have bottled anyway so will see how it turns out. Was abit tricky not getting the head sucked in while racking off though! :)

Extra thick ring around the top still a mystery though ....

Cheers,

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Tipsy wrote:
warra48 wrote:
aurelius121ad wrote: Yeah, thats what I meant.
:) I knew that's what you meant. It's all good.
I knew that you knew that that's what he meant.
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mike_hifi wrote:Extra thick ring around the top still a mystery though ....
I find that's normally hop-related debris. Sticky stuff. Happens to me all the time, because I usually can't be stuffed straining the hops out after the boil.
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That could be it, although I never strain hops out either. Was dry-hopping (in primary, not ideal I know) with a tea-bag. Who knows ... :?
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