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Racking methods - New questions...and yes I've searched :)

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I'm about to brew a larger and want to rack and larger correctly this time but I've never racked any Ales. I've searched and searched but haven't been able to find any sites with pictures etc though I have read a lot of information on it.

From what I can see approx 7 days into fermentation when you can see the activity visibly slowing is the correct time to rack but is this the case if I'm going to rack then larger in my fridge (with fridemate)? We'll assume I'm not going to allow for diacetyl rest as I'm going to double pitch Saflager-S23 @ brewing temp after rehydrating the yeast and proofing it. I have found a lot of posts on this topic though so I'll read them and it's not my real question anyhow.

My REAL question is what is the best method for transferring the wort/beer. I know I must avoid splashing the liquid but some sites are saying to rack from the tap of the primary into the secondary though an open lid then seal as usual where as other say to rack from the primary with an open top to avoid transferring too much trub.

Obviously transferring via the tap is easy but either way you're going to have your brew come into contact with air via an open lid right. Can anyone provide photo's, links or good advise here? Thanks in advance guys :)
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Well I'll be darned. Owned huh. I REALLY did search too rwh, I guess just not good enough. Sorry! :)


Edit - Ahhh I see why now, not a racking thread. Thanks again :)
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also if you keg you can fill the secondary with CO2 before transferring the wort/beer with the lid partially on like in that pic to keep the CO2 in.

Obviously not sealed so not perfect - I've heard of tap to tap racking, which if used with the above & an airlock on the receiving fermenter would be pretty good

But then I don't ever rack cause both times I tried I got an infection, even with the same sanitizing procedures that work fine in primary. meh
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Yeah infection is a bit spooky but I'm going to be SUPER clean. I'll probably just glad wrap the top while I transfer to keep any nasties out. Seeing I'm going to larger this brew in my fridge for 3-5 weeks minimum I think it's best to rack otherwise I would not bother. Would you guys agree?
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If you are going to lager then racking is a must.

As for infections, BAH! I brew 2 at a time and only have one spare fermenter so i rack the first into a clean fermenter and the second into fermenter that had the first brew into it rinsing that but no cleaning. Do this is a shed with no lids on the racking vessel. No infections. EVER. Its funny how solutions of 5% ethanol arent as susceptible to infections as those full of sugar :lol:

I wouldnt advise leaving it open for hours but the 5-10 minutes it takes to rack isnt an issue. Unless you live in the tropics and are surrounding by mozzies/flies etc.

If i am dry hopping i then drop in my hops in a piece of pantyhose tied at both ends.

We are sanitising NOT sterilising and once the sugar has been converted to our friend ethanol, its less of an issue. Still need to be clean but not anal.

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Yep sounds good. I'm working in a newly renovated laundry in cold Melbourne so I think I'm pretty safe. Just popped out and bought some 10mm hose and small clamps :) Wish me luck. Thanks all.
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Just for the record, I use pvc hose that has an outer diameter the same as the inner diameter of the taps. It's easier, and less likely to mix air with the beer. When you're at the HBS, just get a little bottler and compare the OD of that with the ODs of the hose and get the one that is the same.
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I bought 10mm hose which fits snuggly over the little bottler. I'll insert the LB into the tap and it should be ok I'd say :D
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drsmurto wrote:If you are going to lager then racking is a must.

As for infections, BAH! I brew 2 at a time and only have one spare fermenter so i rack the first into a clean fermenter and the second into fermenter that had the first brew into it rinsing that but no cleaning. Do this is a shed with no lids on the racking vessel. No infections. EVER. Its funny how solutions of 5% ethanol arent as susceptible to infections as those full of sugar :lol:

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Post by Boonie »

Yep, that's my brew "Room". nice searching rwh

10mm clear hose from Bunnings and the plastic tube from a little bottler is all you need.

edit.....no infections racking :wink: .....so far, touch wood MKII
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drsmurto wrote:If you are going to lager then racking is a must.
I don't understand how racking changes anything? Isn't it just easier to prime the bottles and put it straight in from the fermentor?
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Post by Pale_Ale »

There's several very good reasons to rack:

1) Gets the beer of the trub (prevents autolysis)
2) Clarity
3) Taste

For a lager where you are storing beer in the fermenter for extended periods of time, racking is vital.

The beer will age differently once primed. Racking means you can 'age' the beer under ideal conditions for as long as you like.
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So how would I go about racking this beer:

http://www.homebrewandbeer.com/forum/vi ... php?t=6293

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Post by Pale_Ale »

Firstly, if you're not comfortable racking, don't do it. It's not essential.

Secondly, the method of racking can be summarsied as follows:

1) Get a spare sterlised fermenter
2) Get a piece of hose that fits over or inside the tap hole
3) Put the brew on a benchtop; put the spare fermenter on the ground
4) Put the other end of the hose into the spare fermenter on the floor
5) Turn the tap on so the brew is trasnferred from one vessel to another
6) Once done seal as per normal.
7) You have racked

PS Racking should be a sticky and if any one has a photo guide that would work well I think
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No worries mate, I can make a photo guide for you all!

Thanks for the help ;)
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Yup a sticky for sure. A photo guide would be a huge help, as they say a photo speaks 1000 words :) Thanks for the help guys.
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Nice, cheers mate. How do you go with bulk priming? Find it works well?
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Post by Cortez The Killer »

I've never had an issue with bulk priming

I dissolve the right amount of sugar in just enough water and boil it for 5 mins

Chuck this into the empty fermenter and rack into it

Always seems to provide uniform carbonation across the batch

A lot easier than priming individual bottles

I've since moved to kegs and should have done so earlier

Only one big bottle to sanitise and you can be drinking the beer 15 mins after force carbonating it

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