Help with grain

[mobydick]

I want to have a crack at a steam beer called Full Sail. A few years ago a friend from San Francisco sent me some of this, and as I recall I thought it was mighty good. Surprised me as the only seppo beer I had had was Bud, Lone Star, Schlitz etc.

Anyway I have found a recipe on an American site.

Ingredients:
Crystal 20, 350 grams
Carapils, 225 grams
3.4 Kg Light malt syrup
50 g Chinook
15 g Galena

I have some Crystal grain I got from G&G. Is it much different to Crystal 20? And I assume Carapils is just another grain?

[mobydick]

From researching John Palmers site I find that the '20' is the lovibond measure. So I figure I can use the Crystal I have. Close enough.

But the Carapils, it says on John Palmers site must be mashed. I don't think I'm up for this extra complexity yet. Might have to find me another recipe.

[Rysa]

G'day moby, i've used carapils before and have only steeped them and was instructed to do it that way. Was fairly sure that was right.
I thought crystal was the same as i thought it was a specialty grain that only needed steeping not mashing.
Someone with more knowledge will come to our rescue soon i'm sure cause i like the sound of this recipe.
I want to get into grains a bit more myself.

[Rysa]

Not home at the moment but i've got a hops and grains guide including specialty grains i could email to you.
Send me an email (address in my profile) and i can send it to you if you like.

[mobydick]

Hi Rysa. It says in the recipe to steep the grains (both of them). But John Palmers says Carapils must be mashed

Will have to wait for some more experienced folk.

Here is the link to the recipe if you want to check it out.

http://www.thebrewhut.com/ViewTBHRecipe.cfm?RecipeID=25

[Rysa]

Cheers moby.

[Trizza]

I was a little confused about which grains require a mash, and those that don't - and Dogger & Ash got this wonderful spreadsheet detailing the use of most of the grains.

http://www.homebrewandbeer.com/forum/vi ... php?t=5729

Just scroll down to the "Specialty Grains Excel File"

It says that carapils can be used without a mash, so I'm planning to be steeping some in my next few brews.

Trizza.

[Rysa]

That might be where mine came from originally cause the one i've got is an excel file. Think i found mine at AHB?

[mobydick]

Gee you blokes either stay up late or get up early.

Thanks for the spreadsheet. Very interesting reading and a great reference. Looks like its full steam ahead with the Full Sail.

[ryan]

Hi Rysa. It says in the recipe to steep the grains (both of them). But John Palmers says Carapils must be mashed

Will have to wait for some more experienced folk.

Here is the link to the recipe if you want to check it out.

http://www.thebrewhut.com/ViewTBHRecipe.cfm?RecipeID=25

Even though Palmer says Carapils must be mashed, I`ve got away with hot steeping it{and cold steeping} plenty of times with good results. But if I`m doing a partial mash, it gets mashed with the base malt.

[Rysa]

Gee you blokes either stay up late or get up early.

Nah not all the time, just work night shift.

[Trizza]

Gee you blokes either stay up late or get up early.

Nah not all the time, just work night shift.

Same here...

[rwh]

Carapils doesn't need mashing. It's also known as dextrin malt, and it does much the same thing as maltodextrin (adds body without adding flavour). It doesn't have the same tendency to give a soapy taste like maltodextrin does though.

[James L]

can melanoidin grain and cara-aroma grains jsut be steaped? like crystal and chocolate? or is there a little more involved?

James

[velophile]

Cara = crystal = OK steeping.

Melanoidin needs mashing I belive.