Jack, why are you locking threads?

[flosso]

Normally I wouldn't get involved in this type of thing but at the moment I feel compelled to - I've only made 130 odd posts in more than a year so I don't consider myself to be any sort of prized member on this forum but thought I'd should have my say anyway.

I agree with the sentiment that a lot of people are echoing - let's get this site back to how it was. I miss the informative advice that the likes of Oliver and Dogger used to give us on a regular basis. I understand that both guys have reasons for not posting as much as they used to, but I think since then the forum has gone downhill as far as a constructive brewing aide goes - as a lot of people have said it seems to have denigrated into personal sniping and bitching session - it's almost as though the parents have gone away for a while and the kids have run amok.

Jack, firstly let me say thank you for putting your hand up for being the mod, I can tell it's a thankless task and you've copped a fair bit of crap about it since you started. Secondly, it's no business of mine to tell you how often to post, that's completely up to you and if you have the time to post 50+ messages a day then go for it. Having said that, the reason I come to the site is it get informative brewing advice, and I hope I'm not stepping out of line in saying that not all of your posts have been entirely constructive, some seem more like replying for the sake of it (to use an example in the thread about fav microbreweries, instead of mentioning your fav you've just said you haven't been to a certain one but hope to get there soon). I don't see the reason to post info like this, most of us probably don't have the time to spend ages reading every message on this forum and when I have to trawl through irrelevant posts it just frustrates me. I'm sure if you searched all the posts I've made since I started then you'd probably find a couple of nonsense posts as well, I'm just making a point here. I'm not trying to have a go at you Jack, I just want to offer some advice that you will hopefully take on board.

Apologies for going on a bit of a rant, the girl of my dreams up and left me last week after 3 years and it's her birthday today so I'm probably overly sensitive at the moment.

(And yes, I do realise that I moaned the fact this site has turned into a sniping session then I start criticizing Jack - go figure).

[Aussie Claret]

On a seperate note, I believe that everyone has the right to post their opinions and advise. However I believe I'm correct with this Jack you have only made 2 brews thus far, just how much experience can you have and what make's you feel qualified to offer advise that you are unsure of.

Honestly UCI and other DO have valid points many of your posts contain fatal errors, which most experienced brewers pick up on. You are making a fool of yourself by not thoroughly knowing your stuff before posting, of course everyone can make mistakes but you seem to make too many.

Last point in the recipes section i would prefer to have recipes that are tried and tested. Of the very few recipes that I have posted I have made them all, how many have you made Jack?
The recipes section should be used for tried / tested recipes not simply theorectical ones, if you want to make them then post back with the results, go for it.

Like I have said before I have no problem with cross forum posting, but referencing where the info came from is a good idea, (You have already started doing this) good!

Mate, start making beer and gain some experience, you've obviously got a lot of spare time on your hands with the amount of posts you are making, plus moderator duties. I also contacted Oliver when I learn't you had become a moderator to express my feelings.

AC

[Smabb]

I'm all for Dogger's "lets get back to brewing beer etc". As I see it Jack's a young fella, like all such has stuff to learn (as UC1 pointed out) but seems to know it, which is good.

He also seems to be taking the criticism on the chin, which is also good.
We need a moderator to keep the occasional nutter in line and Jack has been silly enough to put his hand up so we might as well give him a go.

Flosso - my sympathises viz a viz the girl , but on the bright side you now have more time for brewing and tasting the vintages!

[JaCk_SpArRoW]

Firstly let me say thanks to all of you for providing feedback, whether I think it relevant or not is not my call....its how you feel that is important!
I agree that I post for the sake of posting & I guess I put this down to mainly a couple of things....one is I want to be included in what is happening which isnt necessarily something that needs to happen as I certainly dont consider myself to be anything other than new to all brewing related issues...other than what I have already learnt.
The other thing is I have tried (probably not very well mind you but thats my fault & things can & will change) to keep the forum light hearted & fun...which this doesnt seem to have happened & all that is happening at the moment is like you guys say...bitching, whinging & insanely irrelevant posts...but not all of those have been mine.
I assume responsibility for what I have posted and from this point can only ask for forgiveness rather than acceptance etc.
To those of you who have been offended, put off, upset or otherwise pissed off at what I have posted or the frequency in which I post, I apologise to you all...there was never any intent to try & run this forum as my own, I could & never would do that.
Some of you may have the wrong impression of me & maybe the want to learn as much as possible from experience is coming off just annoying but thats all it is, a enourmous want to learn from you all.
Please, all of you, understand that what you are saying I am taking on board & not blowing off...I appreciate what all of you are saying & I just hope that you can forgive me...the last thing I want is to be unwelcome here...I love this forum & the members here have a huge amount of untapped knowledge & I for one certainly dont want to stand in the way of this being unleashed onto this forum.
Again, thank you to all of you who have given me something to think about...I will certainly learn from this & hopefully there hasnt been too much damage done.

[undercover1]

So- you are going to post less, or at least keep on-topic?

What about your mod status?

Frankly, I think this place needs to be shut down for a short period to clear dead wood/dead threads & archive a some of the old stuff.

Oliver, your name is on the top there...?

[Aussie Claret]

Righto,
Lets get back to brewing, Good onya Jack! (very good response)
Lets stop the sledging, bitching and whining and really get back on track, this was and will be again an excellent forum.

Cheers
AC

[JaCk_SpArRoW]

On a seperate note, I believe that everyone has the right to post their opinions and advise. However I believe I'm correct with this Jack you have only made 2 brews thus far, just how much experience can you have and what make's you feel qualified to offer advise that you are unsure of.

Honestly UCI and other DO have valid points many of your posts contain fatal errors, which most experienced brewers pick up on. You are making a fool of yourself by not thoroughly knowing your stuff before posting, of course everyone can make mistakes but you seem to make too many.

Last point in the recipes section i would prefer to have recipes that are tried and tested. Of the very few recipes that I have posted I have made them all, how many have you made Jack?
The recipes section should be used for tried / tested recipes not simply theorectical ones, if you want to make them then post back with the results, go for it.

Like I have said before I have no problem with cross forum posting, but referencing where the info came from is a good idea, (You have already started doing this) good!

Mate, start making beer and gain some experience, you've obviously got a lot of spare time on your hands with the amount of posts you are making, plus moderator duties. I also contacted Oliver when I learn't you had become a moderator to express my feelings.

AC

Fair call AC...I guess the info I post is mainly stuff i have learned in such a short time...as for flaws in recipes etc, you're right...if I dont know enough about what I am posting then as you say, Im just making myself out to be an uneducated fool when it comes to brewing.
All of this sort of thing is something I need to learn & yes I have only done 2 brews so that confirms that basically I dont really know much about anything.
I'll keep my postings to stuff I know about from experience & anything else that I gain from along the way.

[111222333]

I just gotta say, Jack, if you want to be a mod, DO NOT POST (except as a direct answer to a question directed at yourself, or to make an official anouncement). as a mod you a are representing this forum, and it does not bode well if the forum officials are asking questions on the running of the forum. whilst doing is the only way to learn, dont bring it to the attention of others, especially those who dont respect your learning curve. i think its great the knowledge base you have built up by asking questions, especially as its all in black and white for others to read as well, answering their questions too, but it has to cease.

dont get drawn in to a conflict, end it by all means, but dont allow your self to be sucked in. if some one has a problem with closing a topic: wear it. you made the call, its on your arse, no matter what justification you had.

i no it sounds a little harsh, sorry it came out that way. but now you have to leave the answering of questions to others and if you have questions on brewing or what ever, best to do it under a alias.

555888(131313 or 1443 ??)

[JaCk_SpArRoW]

So- you are going to post less, or at least keep on-topic?

What about your mod status?

Yep, I think that is something that needs to be done UC...as far my mod status, if others are happy for me to retain this responsibility then I will do everything I can to be useful in that regard...I dont necessarily need to be an experienced brewer to be a Mod on here.
I am all for getting this forum back to what it was & I can only apologise profusely to you all if I was the main cause of the degradation!!!

[Tipsy]

How do I become a moderator.
The job looks so glamorous.

[gregb]

PM Oliver and ask nicely.

Cheers,
Greg

[The Carbonator]

I think its time to lock this thread Jack.




HAHAHA

[The Carbonator]

Jack, this may sting a little, but Im just gonna say it...

Since you joined, every second post is from you. And you have only brewed twice????
Do us all a favour and stop posting shit, shut the f#ck up, and go brew.
Then, if you need help, ask a question. Im sure everyone will be glad to help.

I too, am sick of wading through useless shit, trying to find some brew info.

There, I said it.

Jack, Im not trying to hurt you, but the truth hurts sometimes.

Now, I have only racked once, and it looks worthwhile. My question is, Do high temps have much of an adverse affect on flavour during secondary? I figure since the amount of yeast activity is low, then the off/fruity flavours produced from high temps ( 28-30*C ) in secondary would be minimal.

Does that sound right?

Cheer guys

[shane_vor]

Yes, your thinking does sound right.
I've never been a big fan of racking, siting infection potential, but after doing one last week and throwing one of the bottles by mistake into the fridge...bloody thing's flat as a tack but after oh, maybe 4 days in the bottle, only as cloudy as my last beer. I can only expect it to clear more with 'ageing' if you can call days ageing!
ALL my summer brews ferment between 22 and 27 (there's no 'degrees' button!) and I'd describe them as slightly 'fruity' or even 'yeasty'...the winter ones...well they're all stouts so....I'm a fool I like stout in winter but can't leave it sit there all year !!!

Oh crap, did I discuss brewing in an inappropriate thread?

[The Carbonator]

woops.

Yeah, im lucky any of my beers age more than a couple of weeks. Oh well, whadaya gonna do?.....Brew more!

[shane_vor]

Indeed! maybe I should have swapped my kegs for an Ab blaster?

[Dogger Dan]

That doesn't sound very fun.

Dogger

[JaCk_SpArRoW]

I think its time to lock this thread Jack.




HAHAHA

Sounds like the way to go Carbs...as far as your 'truth hurts' post, mate I totally understand what you're saying...its a fair call & I'll wear it, take it on the chin so to speak!

[Oliver]

Guys,

Please see this thread: http://www.homebrewandbeer.com/forum/vi ... php?t=2360

Cheers,

Oliver