Carbonation required for malt beers

V1113B · Post by **V1113B** » Monday Feb 19, 2007 12:22 pm

Hey Everyone,

I read somewhere that malt beers do not require as much priming as beer made with say sucrose becuase more fermentable materials stay behind in the bottle to help carbonation priming.

With the brew I have on at the moment I have used 1.5kgs of Liquid Malt.
Should I still use 2 carbonations drops per longneck or only 1?

Or is this false info and just stick to normal prodedure?

Ash · Post by **Ash** » Monday Feb 19, 2007 12:37 pm

false info, normal procedure.

only way it would have some truth to it is if people bottled too early or something, of if they had a stuck fermentation.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Monday Feb 19, 2007 1:18 pm

Yeah. A bit of a myth there.

Pale_Ale · Post by **Pale_Ale** » Monday Feb 19, 2007 1:47 pm

I guess if it's a stout with long chain sugars it could be true, but not really a good rule of thumb.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Monday Feb 19, 2007 1:48 pm

Unless you don't like'emfizzy.

V1113B · Post by **V1113B** » Monday Feb 19, 2007 2:39 pm

Thanks guys. I thought I better check just in case.

Nah I like them relativley fizzy.

Depends on the beer though I guess.

SpillsMostOfIt · Post by **SpillsMostOfIt** » Monday Feb 19, 2007 5:15 pm

Is there a beer that doesn't have malt in it?

Pale_Ale · Post by **Pale_Ale** » Monday Feb 19, 2007 7:35 pm

It comes from the fact that malt sugars don't break down as easily as simple sugars I believe. Plus some darker malts have sugars that break down over months and years in the bottle.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Friday Mar 02, 2007 12:39 pm

Yeah, there are several non-malt beers.

Pale_Ale · Post by **Pale_Ale** » Friday Mar 02, 2007 3:42 pm

Is it still called beer if it has 0% barley?

chris. · Post by **chris.** » Friday Mar 02, 2007 3:46 pm

Chris wrote:Yeah, there are several non-malt beers.

Non malt or non malted Barley?
I was under the impression that for the required Enzymatic reactions to convert starches to sugars a mash of any form of grain needs a portion of malted grain.

I would be interested to hear of these several non malt beers.

chris. · Post by **chris.** » Friday Mar 02, 2007 3:48 pm

Pale_Ale wrote:Is it still called beer if it has 0% barley?

A 100% wheat beer is still called a beer.

SpillsMostOfIt · Post by **SpillsMostOfIt** » Friday Mar 02, 2007 3:58 pm

chris. wrote:
Pale_Ale wrote:Is it still called beer if it has 0% barley?
A 100% wheat beer is still called a beer.

Where do the enzymes that create the required sugars come from?

chris. · Post by **chris.** » Friday Mar 02, 2007 4:00 pm

SpillsMostOfIt wrote:
chris. wrote:
Pale_Ale wrote:Is it still called beer if it has 0% barley?
A 100% wheat beer is still called a beer.
Where do the enzymes that create the required sugars come from?

Malted Wheat.

Pale_Ale · Post by **Pale_Ale** » Friday Mar 02, 2007 4:43 pm

Sorry, I should have said malt not barley. Malt can be any grain but the malting process makes it fermentable...ergo not including malt means no fermentables other than simple sugars, which create alcohol with ittle to no taste. Right?

chris. · Post by **chris.** » Friday Mar 02, 2007 5:37 pm

Pale_Ale wrote:Sorry, I should have said malt not barley. Malt can be any grain but the malting process makes it fermentable...ergo not including malt means no fermentables other than simple sugars, which create alcohol with ittle to no taste. Right?

Unfermentables are anything bigger than a disaccharide for Ale yeast & some Trisaccharides for Lager yeasts. I think. These are created when converting malted grain.

SpillsMostOfIt · Post by **SpillsMostOfIt** » Saturday Mar 03, 2007 7:15 am

This discussion is making me sick. Why? I had to do some research on non-malt beers.

Wikipedia is your stomach's enemy in this instance. Looking for 'Happoshu' will tell you about soy beer, pea protein beer.

I guess it is brewing, but where I come from it aint beer...

chris. · Post by **chris.** » Monday Mar 05, 2007 3:26 pm

SpillsMostOfIt wrote:I had to do some research on non-malt beers.

Research?! Ah... you clearly don't belong here on this site SpillsMostOfIt. We prefer good old solid conjecture & speculation. Keep your facts out this.

KEG · Post by **KEG** » Monday Mar 05, 2007 4:08 pm

SpillsMostOfIt wrote:This discussion is making me sick. Why? I had to do some research on non-malt beers.

ah yes, the studying of an empty void.

lethaldog · Post by **lethaldog** » Monday Mar 05, 2007 4:51 pm

chris. wrote:
SpillsMostOfIt wrote:I had to do some research on non-malt beers.
Research?! Ah... you clearly don't belong here on this site SpillsMostOfIt. We prefer good old solid conjecture & speculation. Keep your facts out this.

As uncle Chop Chop said, never let the truth get in the way of a good story, or in our case a beer opinion