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Ruined for life

Posted: Friday Feb 13, 2009 8:28 am
by billybushcook
I have been brewing can kits for nearly 20 yrs, had some great beers, had some shockers, but stick to my tried & true methods & I get consistently good beers, (prefered to those sharp tasting commercial beers) nice round, clean flavours, & a long lasting creamy head.
Totally & happily oblivious to the endless amounts of "ingredients" available in today's home brew shops.

After reading how many of you guys are using "aftermarket" yeasts, you have got me thinking.......Can I get them any better??????
So yesterday I'm off to the local HB shop to see what yeasts he stocks, turns out...Bugger all...one sachet of "Premium Ale Yeast" ........no thanks! So my next step is to search the net for a supplier??
Can any one suggest a supplier in the Hunter Valley??

The other point in question is racking, now my thoughts on this is that it is un-nescessary for what I'm doing, with a straight concentrate kit & lagering for a few days to a week, I get nice clear wort at botteling time, Still again, it's got me thinking, "I should try it at least once" & see for my self.

So it seems that your influences have tainted my simple, practical & effective aproach to brewing, so much so that I'm considering that the std can kit is not the be all & end all, ordering ingredients over the net, Racking just for the hell of it & possibly playing with some Hopps. This is becoming an obsession???

You will all be hearing from my Lawyer!!! :D :D :D :D

Mick.

Re: Ruined for life

Posted: Friday Feb 13, 2009 9:02 am
by wrighty
Crickey BBC,
They got you as well, i know how it happens ,you read this and that and before you know it
your online or at the hbs ordering hops,yeasts ,kegs ,whatever else.
I cant even go to anormal shop without thinking gee wonder if i could use that in the brew shed.
One poor fella on here went from k&k to all grain in a few short weeks.
Have mercy !!! :| :|

Re: Ruined for life

Posted: Friday Feb 13, 2009 9:16 am
by warra48
If you are looking for an HB shop in the Hunter, than Mark's Home Brew in Islington is excellent. I don't know how far up the Hunter you are, but here's his link:

http://www.ubrew.com.au/

If you want an online HB shop, then you won't do better than Ross at Craftbrewer, here's his link:

http://www.craftbrewer.com.au/

Re: Ruined for life

Posted: Friday Feb 13, 2009 9:21 am
by billybushcook
Thanks Warra, Tah. :D :D :D
Islington is a bit far (1hr away) but will have a look at the other one.

Mick.

Re: Ruined for life

Posted: Friday Feb 13, 2009 9:40 am
by drsmurto
You are on a slippery slope...

I stumbled on this site as a naive kit brewer a few years ago looking for a JS golden ale recipe.......

It starts with a better yeast. Add some fresh hops they said. Steep some grain they said.

Then i made the fatal mistake.

I accepted the offer of watching someone do an AG brew and taste his beers.

Damn you DrGonzo, damn you and your triple decocted bo pils...

Mmmmmmmmmm, triple decocted bo pils

Re: Ruined for life

Posted: Saturday Feb 14, 2009 12:27 am
by Clean Brewer
This is so funny... :lol:

This was GYM 1 month ago, now starting AG..
Some philosophy for Newby brewers
by Gym_ on Sunday Jan 11, 2009 6:13 pm

Some philosophy for Newby brewers
Ok grab yourself a beer and relax wile i tell you a true story.

Few years ago I got into tropical fish,

Got all the good stuff really expensive spent hrs testing the Acidity, Nitrite, Nitrate, cleaning filters ever few days, making little houses for the fish making sure there’s heaps of oxygen flow, checking water temp every few hrs, buying the best food, water changes ever few days, constantly reading about fish and tanks and new ideas on the hobby and then spent at least 1 hr every week pulling dead fish out of my tanks PS I Have ( 4 x 6 foot tanks )

Then I found something that worked really well its call “STOP STUFFING AROUND WITH THINGS”
You would be really surprised how well something so basic works, I have not cleaned a filter in 6 months, have not checked any water reading in over a year, all I do is feed them and change the water ever few weeks,

And you know what I have had like 2 dead fish in 12 months instead of over one a week.
Now some of you are saying hang on Gyms on the wrong forum here, he’s talking about fish this forum is about beer..

Well let me fill you in,

I have been brewing on and off for over 20yrs and in the beginning I had heater pads and belts, taking hydrometeor readings, taking temp reading every few hrs.. Using brew enhancers, dextrose, LDME, waiting for the perfect day to put beer to bottle.

Then one day I help my grandfather yes still alive aged almost 90 make some beer.

He used a small plastic garbage bin that looked like it was 30yrs old..
Chucked in 1 kg of white sugar a can of coopers,
a kettle of boiled water and gave it a quick stir with a Old flat stick,
Filled it up with the garden hose using the pressure of it to stir it,
Pitched the yeast without checking the temp and covered it with a old tea towel and then walked away.

Grandpa I said that’s going to taste like shit and lol

He then grabbed a long neck out of his old fridge must have been 1970s covered in rust and rather shitty looking on the inside,
Opened the bottle with a rusty old bottle opener that he had nailed the leg of his home made bench and poured the bottle into a old glass jug again looking striate out of 1970s

Then poured it from that into two small non matching glasses .lol
And ya know what .. ???
The bloody beer was as good if not better then I had ever made.

No longer do I take hydrometeor readings or check temps or stuff around, no longer do I weigh ingredients or use fancy ass additives.
Sure I don’t use an old stick to stir it nor do I cover it with a teatowl but I learned something that day..

“STOP STUFFING AROUND WITH THINGS”

So How Do I Make My Beer ?..

I chuck a crap load of sugar in a bucket sometimes using a LDME or DDME sometimes not all depending on how board I am..
Peg in some hot water and a tin of brew and hit it with my with a giant brew spoon on the end of my drill for a few min pour in some water and leave it for 2 weeks to a month depending on when I could be bothered kegging it.. Chill it, Gas it and drink it..
and ya know what .. its bloody good beer too

Moral of the story you can make things as complicated or as simple as you like doesn’t mean its going to be any better..
And billybushcock
Racking.....what a waste of time!
Ive been brewing for 16 yrs without racking & I can pour the entire bottle without getting a cloudy glass.
just a thin dust on the bottom of the bottle.
A friend of mine racks his beer & I still prefer mine. I am a firm beliver in the KISS principle.
It came about when my youngest son was born, I couldn't always bottle on that particullar day so I tossed the wort in the beer fridge until I could,(I latter realised this is lagering) some times up to a fortnight, this meant my beers were in the primary for up to 4 weeks.(trouble is I could drink my self out of stock by then)

it smoothed out the flavours & when I bottle they are clear as crystal & taste good straight out of the primary just no bubbles.
the only trouble I had was getting the yeast to fire back up for carbonation after being at such low temps, being as it was mid winter & even inside the hot box with the next batch & heater they took a little longer to carbonate fully.

The other important factor I found was using glad wrap over the top I could easily see when fermentation had stopped & the beer would start to look black as night (due to the black Brigalow fermenter) giving almost no sediment whether lagering or not. but lagering definately took it to the next level.
and
I used to use hydrometer readings, but found they were always predictable, I guess because I was always brewing the same kit at the same temp, now use the glad wrap method & same deal, same s.g same colour, so hydrometer not nescessary for the way I brew.

Did Coopers Lager for about 16yrs & have now switched to Aussie Pale ale with the BE2, :- 10 days @ 24C every time (kit yeast)
Great to hear youse are being converted, you HARD ARSES... :x

Re: Ruined for life

Posted: Saturday Feb 14, 2009 1:51 am
by Gym_
Yer Yer CB i ant drunk me AG yet just keged it tonight ..
Might taste like shit lol ..
Besides i still make rocket fuel ..
How ells will i get to LMFAO at the boyz after 3 pints..
:mrgreen:

Re: Ruined for life

Posted: Saturday Feb 14, 2009 4:40 pm
by billybushcook
Clean Brewer wrote:
Great to hear youse are being converted, you HARD ARSES... :x
Not converted yet, just considering trying some thing different, so I know first hand.
I did play with adding hopps & malt years ago, & like Gym, decided it was extra effort for no gain so I reverted back to my tried & true methods, same goes every other time I have tried a different can kit (Black rock or others) .....always ended in tears :cry: :cry:

May be I'm just getting to be "an old man set in his ways" or maybe it is because "if it aint broken, don't fix it"

But I will try anything once (almost)

Cheers, Mick.

Re: Ruined for life

Posted: Thursday Mar 05, 2009 12:14 pm
by billybushcook
For a few years now I have been tossing ideas around on how to set up a fully automated temp control, now I know a few of you are using fridge controlers for cooling, & I have had a great history using a fish tank heater in the bottom of the fermenter for heating, but for cooling I have had to do it mannually by using frozen 2L bottles of water in my brew box (old deep freezer) I had in the past considered ducting cold air from the beer fridge (sitting beside brew box) via a small exhaust fan, thermastatically controlled.

The other night I was lying in bed & came up with another idea,........Copper coils in the brew box, a tub full of water in the crisper section of the beer fridge & circulate the water with a small 240V pond pump which costs about 8 bucks (already have one)
The missing link is the thermostatic switch to control flow.
For years Iv'e wanted to do a traditional 12deg Lager.

My prayers have been answered......I just found the "tempmate" which will control the heater & the cooling pump.

https://www.craftbrewer.com.au/shop/det ... p?PID=2592

Has any one else been using one of these particular units for both heat & cooling cycles?
How big is the temp difference between the two cycles cutting in & out?

Cheers, Mick.

Re: Ruined for life

Posted: Thursday Mar 05, 2009 3:40 pm
by warra48
I have a TempMate.

I chose it on Ross' recommendation, for the reason that the unit automatically controls both heating and cooling functions.

All you need to do is to set the desired temperature, and the variance from your set temperature(I use the default .5ºC setting).
If you set your temperature to, say, 19ºC, then the unit will kick in with cooling once the probe senses 19.5ºC, and kick in with heating once the probe senses 18.5ºC. You do not need to do anything to have it switch from one to the other, it does it automatically.

I don't have a heating pad or belt connected to mine, as it's not cold enough to need it until winter. However, I can see the heating cycle switching in, and all it does in my case is to allow the fridge to naturally come up to temperature. If I had a heat belt or pad, it would switch that on as needed.

I think I use less power using the TempMate than leaving the fridge on as is, it certainly runs a lot less than it normally would, particularly if I don't open it for days on end.

I recommend you read these two threads on AHB, particularly the one with the wiring diagrams. I couldn't have wired mine up without that help.
http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/i ... ntry367165
http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/i ... =26500&hl=

Re: Ruined for life

Posted: Friday Mar 06, 2009 7:49 am
by billybushcook
Thx Warra, Taa. :D

Iv'e had a rethink on the cooling cycle,....I don't even need the copper coils, The brew box still has the gas coils/element imbeded in the walls of it from it's days as a freezer, I should be able to pump the water through them!!
so I already have the pump & hoses, all I need is the cold water??? Too easy!!!
Will be giving the cooling system a test run over the weekend!!



Cheers, Mick.