Boiling hops

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Anna
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Re: Boiling hops

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warra48 wrote:Often the cause of an off taste or infection is something really small and easily overlooked, and it can take you some time to track it down.

I had an issue with infections in some of my brews about 2 years ago. Although I brew AG, I eventually tracked it down to two things:

1. The little bottler thingy has a small rubber washer on the end of the prong inside the spring end which acts as a bottling valve. Mine had accumulated gunk, which had obviously collected over a period of time. I now totally dismantle all components of the bottler valve, clean and sanitise them.

2. I was using Bundaberg ginger beer bottles, with the original metal screw type tops. I don't think I was ever really able to properly clean the bottles and tops to a proper sanitary state. I no longer use them.

These two things resolved my infection issues.

One other thing is that I changed the tap on my kettle. I used to use a normal ½" ball valve one piece tap. That was until I boiled it one time, and when I wiggled the handle back and forth, some disgusting crud spurted out.
Now I use a SS 3 piece ball valve. It is dismantled after every use, and it is surprising how much crud gets captured in the inner workings of the valve. This crud can't be got rid of by rinsing a one piece valve, hence the 3 piece valve. Well worth the investment.

One other thing. When did you last dissemble the taps on your fermenter? Yes, you can dissemble them. All you need is a piece of dowel, open the tap about half way, insert the dowel, take firm hold of the tap, and give it a sharp firm tap on your work bench. It should come apart allowing you to clean it.

Hope you resolve your issues Anna.
Thanks Warra. I don't think the infection comes from the bottling, because the last "weird" brew tasted funny straight from the fermenter before bottling. You could be right about the tap on the fermenter though - I'll take it apart like you suggested 'cause it does look a bit stained inside (even though I sanitise that along with everything else). I've got a feeling my "brilliant idea" of putting the fermenters in the bath tub filled halfway with water might be the culprit - I spray my hair every morning right next to the bath and maybe the hairspray falling into the water could be the culprit? Pretty out there eh? :mrgreen: Needless to say, since the last "infection" I don't put the fermenters in the bath anymore - they are now in cooler bags in the study, which works great. Haven't bottled these yet, so if the next 2 turn out all right, I'll know that was the problem (oh, unless it was just old extract, like the Doc suggested....)
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Re: Boiling hops

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Anna wrote:. Thanks Warra. I don't think the infection comes from the bottling, because the last "weird" brew tasted funny straight from the fermenter before bottling. You could be right about the tap on the fermenter though - I'll take it apart like you suggested 'cause it does look a bit stained inside (even though I sanitise that along with everything else). I've got a feeling my "brilliant idea" of putting the fermenters in the bath tub filled halfway with water might be the culprit - I spray my hair every morning right next to the bath and maybe the hairspray falling into the water could be the culprit? Pretty out there eh? :mrgreen: Needless to say, since the last "infection" I don't put the fermenters in the bath anymore - they are now in cooler bags in the study, which works great. Haven't bottled these yet, so if the next 2 turn out all right, I'll know that was the problem (oh, unless it was just old extract, like the Doc suggested....)
I suspect you may well be correct. Hope it is the answer for you. :)
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billybushcook wrote:
warra48 wrote: The reason is that I can't get my wort down below about 25ºC in summer using ambient temperature water in my immersion chiller. I place my fermenter in the fridge, until it is down to about 18ºC,
Warra,
Why not try a cheap pond pump in a bucket of ice water for the final few Deg's?
Recirculate the water from the bucket through the chiller & back to the bucket.

I find that 1 bag of ice is enough to get mine down from near 30 to 18, I only add 1/3 bag at a time, I just keep the water to a minimum (by removing some before the next dose of ice!

Mick.
Cost of a bag of ice vs a few hours in a fridge?
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Or just make your own ice :)
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Grog wrote:Or just make your own ice :)
Cost of freezer making ice vs cost of fridge knocking a few degrees off the wort

Sorry, being pedantic this morning. I'll shut up now and get a coffee. :lol:
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I have a pre-chiller I can use on my immersion chiller.
It will help to get the wort down a few more degrees.
I find it easier to stop chilling at 25ºC, and then put the fermenter in the fridge.
Also gives me a chance to get my starter and the fermenter to identical temperatures. I'm a believer in pitching at fermenting temperature.
Works for me, and I've not had a problem with it.
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drsmurto wrote:
Grog wrote:Or just make your own ice :)
Cost of freezer making ice vs cost of fridge knocking a few degrees off the wort

Sorry, being pedantic this morning. I'll shut up now and get a coffee. :lol:


all cool mate - just banter :)


my last brew i cooled it a bit in a sink with ice / water.
then stuck it in the deep freeze for a while. seemed to work fine, but obviously not practical if the pot size is much larger...

probly a bit dangerous in the freexer for bugs as well ?

cheers,
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There is air involved as the wort boils... does HSA not apply while the boil is happening?
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Finnagann wrote:There is air involved as the wort boils... does HSA not apply while the boil is happening?
Boiling creates steam and water vapour. It also drives oxygen out of the wort, hence the need to aerate your wort once it's cooled and before pitching your yeast.

HSA is exposing your wort to excess oxygen so that it can absorb it. Doing so at higher temperatures may allow your wort to oxidise which will lead to flavour stability problems later on.

Therefore it is important to chill your beer as quickly as possible, or eliminate exposure to oxygen if "no chilling" (an Aus practice for some brewers).
The accepted cut off point for HSA is about 27ºC. Once below that, the risk is eliminated.
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warra48 wrote:
Finnagann wrote:There is air involved as the wort boils... does HSA not apply while the boil is happening?
Boiling creates steam and water vapour. It also drives oxygen out of the wort, hence the need to aerate your wort once it's cooled and before pitching your yeast.

HSA is exposing your wort to excess oxygen so that it can absorb it. Doing so at higher temperatures may allow your wort to oxidise which will lead to flavour stability problems later on.

Therefore it is important to chill your beer as quickly as possible, or eliminate exposure to oxygen if "no chilling" (an Aus practice for some brewers).
The accepted cut off point for HSA is about 27ºC. Once below that, the risk is eliminated.

Thanks for the clarification... details details :)
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Re: Boiling hops

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i too have been aerating my wort in fermenter while it's hot, all my brews have been excellent. current brew has DLME using the same method although will boil malt next time, and also cool before adding to fermenter by ther sound of it. I used to use boiled hot water but heve changed to hot tap water to regulate temp more easily, would this make much difference?
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